The Wechat group is so active today. A debate is about to begin. Now everyone is looking forward to it.
Li Zheng (The Chairperson): Brothers and sisters, May peace be!
Welcome, everyone! Thank the Lord for bringing us together. It’s time again for our public debate. Now I declare the debate open. Thank God!
The question we’re going to discuss today is “Does believing in the Lord mean believing in?” During the debate, the Affirmative and the Negative can state their viewpoints freely; and if other brothers and sisters have any opinion, please feel free to express it.
At this moment, a heated discussion springs up in the chat group.
Seeker (Netizen): Can’t wait!
Muguang (Netizen): This kind of debate is really great.
Li Zheng (The Chairperson): Ok, speakers, are you ready? Please state your viewpoints.
Ma Qiang (First Negative): May the Lord lead us in the debate. Our viewpoint is “believing in the Lord means believing in the Bible.” We entered into faith through reading the Bible, and always practice faith according to it, and those who believe in the Lord have also done so for two thousand years. The Bible is not only a testimony to the Lord, but also the foundation of our faith. So we maintain that the Bible represents the Lord. Believing in the Lord means believing in the Bible, and believing in the Bible means believing in the Lord. We must never stray from the Bible no matter what. How would we practice faith without the Bible? I’ve done with my statement.
Cui Bingzhe (Second Negative): Amen! We must base our faith on the Bible; to depart from the Bible is not to believe in the Lord. Haven’t people believed in God for thousands of years according to the Bible? Therefore, our viewpoint is irrefutable.
Li Zheng (The Chairperson): The speakers of the Negative have made their standpoint clear. The Affirmative, it’s your turn to make a statement.
Zheng Zhisheng (First Affirmative):Thank God. Our viewpoint is “believing in the Bible doesn’t represent believing in the Lord.” So many people believe the Bible stands for the Lord, that believing in the Lord means believing in the Bible, and that believing in the Bible means believing in the Lord. They think of the Bible as supreme, even treating the Bible and the Lord as equals; and in their hearts, they have already replaced God with the Bible. But, are these things after God’s heart? As believers in God, we should honor God as great and supreme, put Him first in everything, and walk the path of faith according to His will. The Bible is just a book. How can it fully represent all that God has and is? Moreover, can we gain the work of the Holy Spirit by adhering to the Bible? Does adhering to the Bible equal doing the will of the heavenly Father? The Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven said, “” (Matthew 7:21). The Lord Jesus put it very clearly: Only those that do the will of the heavenly Father shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Our adhering to the Bible doesn’t equal doing the will of the heavenly Father, much less mean that we can enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Li Chuanyang (Second Affirmative): (He continued the topic.) That’s right. For thousands of years, people have been blindly worshiping the Bible and treating the Bible and the Lord as equals. Some even use the Bible to substitute for the Lord and His work, but no one truly knows the Lord or loves or obeys Him. The Pharisees were well-versed in the Bible, but nailed the Lord Jesus on the cross because they held to the Bible. What problem does this show? Does understanding the Bible mean knowing God? Does holding onto the Bible mean following the Lord’s way? The Pharisees were experts in biblical knowledge, but they didn’t know God or His appearance. Instead, they nailed the Lord Jesus, who expressed the truth and did the redemptive work, to the cross. Isn’t this an undeniable fact? Why did the Pharisees condemn and oppose the Lord Jesus while they interpreted the Bible? Wasn’t it because they only adhered to the Bible but failed to pursue to know God? As is clear, whoever does not obey or worship the Lord but only blindly believes in and worships the Bible will not obtain God’s approval. If man’s faith consists solely in abiding by the Bible while in his heart there is no place for the Lord, if he cannot honor the Lord as great or practice His words, if he is incapable of accepting or obeying God’s work or guidance, then isn’t such a man a hypocritical Pharisee? Isn’t he an antichrist who has made Christ his enemy? Thus, if man only clings to the Bible, it doesn’t mean that he has gained the truth or life. So it can be seen that believing in the Bible doesn’t mean believing in the Lord. This is an irrefutable fact.
At the moment, there are many comments in the Wechat group.
Li Zhongming (Netizen): Oh, this opinion is quite insightful. I’ve never heard of such a fellowship as this.
Lin Junxi (Netizen): Indeed! This fellowship is very clear and illuminating.
Then the Negative continues their argument.
Ma Qiang (First Negative): (He was not reconciled to defeat.) Your opinions sound kind of reasonable, but we can’t agree with them. We believe thatmust be based on the Bible because the Bible stands for God. To satisfy God, we have to base our faith on the Bible; without the Bible, how could we know how to satisfy Him? So we believe that we have to keep believing in the Bible, and only in this way can we know God’s will and enter into the kingdom of heaven. This can’t be wrong!
Li Zheng (The Chairperson): Now our debate has become white-hot. Let’s see how the Affirmative will refute this viewpoint.
Li Chuanyang (Second Affirmative): In the statements of the Negative, they claim that the Bible represents the Lord, that believing in the Bible is believing in the Lord, so that faith in the Lord cannot stray from the Bible. However, can the Bible really lead us to know the will of the Lord? Can the Bible really stand in place of the Lord to save us and have us enter the kingdom of heaven? The Lord Jesus said, “Search the scriptures; for in them you think you have : and they are they which testify of me. And you will not come to me, that you might have life” (John 5:39-40). “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me” (John 14:6).
From the Lord’s words, we see that the Bible is merely a testimony to God and a record of His past work. The Bible does not represent God, because it only contains a limited account of God’s words and work. How can this limited account of God’s words and work represent God? As we know, God is the Creator who fills all in all, and is the Master of all things. God’s life is unlimited and inexhaustible. God’s abundance and greatness can never be fathomed by man. In fact, the limited record of His words and work found in the Bible is but a drop in the vast sea of His life. How could the Bible represent or be on a par with God? More importantly, God can do work to save man, can the Bible do work to save man? God can express the truth, can the Bible do it? God can enlighten, illuminate and guide man at any time, can the Bible do it? Of course not. So, the Bible cannot represent God. Man places the Bible on a par with God and thinks that the Bible can represent God. Is this not a belittlement and blasphemy of God? If man replaces God’s work with the Bible, this is a denial and betrayal of God. God is God, the Bible is the Bible. The Bible cannot represent God, nor can it stand in place of God’s entirety.
At the moment, Zheng Zhisheng (First Affirmative) posts some of God’s words:
“This is because the Bible followed several thousand years of human history and people all treat it like God to the point that people in the last days replace God with the Bible. This is something that God really hates.”
“No one knows the reality of the Bible: that it is nothing more than a historical record of God’s work, and a testament to the previous two stages of God’s work, and offers you no understanding of the aims of God’s work. Everyone who has read the Bible knows that it documents the two stages of God’s work during the Age of Law and the Age of Grace. The Old Testament chronicles the history of Israel and Jehovah’s work from the time of creation until the end of the Age of Law. The New Testament records Jesus’ work on earth, which is in the Four Gospels, as well as the work of Paul; are they not historical records?”
“What they recorded, it can be said, was according to their level of education and human caliber. What they recorded was the experiences of men, and each had their own means of recording and knowing, and each record was different. Thus, if you worship the Bible as God you are extremely ignorant and stupid! Why do you not seek the work of the God of today? Only the work of God can save man. The Bible cannot save man, it has not changed at all for several thousands of years, and if you worship the Bible you will never gain the work of the Holy Spirit.”
Li Chuanyang (Second Affirmative): From these words, we can see that the Bible is merely a record of God’s past work, and that it is nothing more than a testimony. The Bible cannot represent God, nor can it stand in place of God to do the work of salvation. If we base our faith only on reading the Bible rather than experiencing God’s work, we will never receive the work of the Holy Spirit or get saved. God’s work of salvation is an ongoing development. Thus, we shouldn’t fixate on one or two stages of God’s work, but should follow the footsteps of His work until He completes His work of saving mankind. Only in this way can we obtain God’s full salvation and enter into the pleasant destination of mankind. If we merely base our faith on the Bible, we can never achieve these. So the standpoint of the Negative, “believing in the Bible means believing in God” is wrong!
The Negative has nothing to refute the Affirmative and admits defeat.
Just in dozens of minutes, there have been a large number of comments left by the netizens.
Zhuiqiu (Netizen): Oh, these words have explained the inner truth of the Bible so clearly! God is the Lord of creation, and He is a real and living God. The Bible is just a history book that records God’s past work. How could it be on a par with God? Eh! I have believed in the Lord for many years, but how come I wasn’t able to see through such a simple problem? I actually treated the Bible and the Lord as equals, thinking that belief in the Lord must be based on the Bible. This is too absurd. My belief in God has been too muddled . If I hadn’t witnessed this debate, perhaps I’d never figure out the relationship between the Bible and the Lord in my whole life.
Seeker (Netizen): What an excellent fellowship! It seems that believing in the Bible doesn’t mean believing in the Lord, and this is a vision that we need to keep in mind.
Xingwu (Netizen): The viewpoint put forward by the Affirmative is really impressive. This debate is worth watching.
Li Zheng (The Chairperson): Thank the Lord. Today’s debate was so lively. I believe we all have benefited a lot from it, and gained a clearer understanding of the relationship between the Bible and God: God is God, the Bible is the Bible; the Bible cannot represent God, nor can it stand in place of God’s entirety; believing in the Bible doesn’t mean believing in the Lord. Thank God for His guidance and enlightenment. All the glory be to God!
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